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Innovative Treatment & Clinical Trials

ChrisF

A Curry a week?

<<topics merged> > suze may 2012

News story following up on the revelation that Curcumin may have a reversing effect on cancer of the oesophagus (2009). It is intereasting to note the editorial history with a note in 2001 that curcumin might be linked to improvements in the treatment of Altzheimers (2001), followed by a further news story that Curcumin may have beneficial effects on Dementia. 8 years on, and nearly the same story.
Apparently this new trial will involve 40 patients at one hospital. (Might get recognised in about 40 years as a treatment, then!)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17959521

chools

I've also read that the effects of turmeric are reduced if taken as a capsule/tablet rather than combined with food. The trial would be much better if people were given a curry every week!

suze

I do not need to wait for the results of these trials to eat a curry A DAY! There is enough evidence already around to convince me that it is worth doing!

Hazel

Just heard the report on radio two news and immediately thought of you suze. Need to take another batch of veg curry from the freezersmile it is great that it is now being recognised by the medics.

suze

Well there are various sorts of trials, etc, and some medics already know that turmeric works in animals. There is no need to wait for a different level of "proof" ...

It reminds me of when people wanted to deny that smoking causes cancer in the past. To actually PROVE it was a causal link to the required standards was not an easy task, but some people could see enough links to make it sensible to stop smoking.

Even now people will use the FACT that not all smokers get cancer as an argument in favour of smoking ... they just want to put their heads in the sand about how science actually works. Yes, not everything affects everyone the same way, but as a global population smoking can cause cancer, and likewise, turmeric can help fight it.

so I think: not all cancer drugs work for all patients, but it is worth taking them in case they work for you -- especially agents like turmeric which has no side-effects apart from staining your house and all its contents with yellow freckles!

suzieQ

Turmeric

I just heard they have announced on radio 4 today that someone is starting a 4 year clinical trial on the impact of Turmeric on bowel cancer. I will see if I can find any more information, but has anyone else out there heard about this? It would be great if this were true.

chools
chools

Not much money in turmeric for the drug companies though, curry's on the NHS could be interesting smile

It certainly stains, and always splatters onto light coloured clothing!

suzieQ

Ok, have had a look at it now, thanks Chools. It is great that it has been recognised that Turmeric may be an important element cancer prevention. I hate to sound like a sceptic but I am disappointed that there are only 40 patients in the trial, insufficient numbers to be of clinical significance. It also appears that it purely shows the impact on the effectiveness of chemotherapy. Without doubt, whatever the result, the outcome will almost certainly state that more trials on larger numbers of patients are required, but it is a start!

In the meantime, as Suze says, there is no harm done in eating a curry a day, and it may well do you good.

Clive

I don't understand why they have to carry out a clinical trail at all!

"They" only have to look at the incidence of cancer in India & Asia compared to the Western world.

I bought a bag of Turmeric last week & tried making tea from it. Well, actually what I did was boil some water, put it in a cup & then put a tbspn of turmeric in it. My partner actually drank it too, but I found these in Tesco yesterday:

www.pukkaherbs.com/tea-room/all-our-teas/three-ginger.html

They smell/taste quite nice too.

Nancy

Hi everyone

There is more on this study, led by the Chair of our Medical Board, on our website here: www.beatingbowelcancer.org/...rmeric-can-help-beat-bowel-cancer

best wishes
Nancy

suzieQ

The thing is Clive, that the absence of colon cancer in certain parts of the world is not clearly down to ingesting Turmeric. It could be that they don't eat much red meat, or because they eat more veg than us. Or it could be that they eat more coriander than us. The trial will aim to prove that it is Turmeric that has the ability to prevent cancer cells from developing. You are very brave taking Turmeric in a drink. I just add it to soups and stews.
Suzie

suze

My yoga teacher told me to drink turmeric in milk, it is traditional in India, apparently .... but I didn't like it !

I take my turmeric dissolved in fat with black pepper and cooked into savoury dishes .. the black pepper massively increases the effectiveness of the turmeric.

The same woman told me to drinks spoonfuls of ginger and garlic juice each day ... but I found this to be a potent emetic and have not been able to persevere with it!

suze
suzieQ: The thing is Clive, that the absence of colon cancer in certain parts of the world is not clearly down to ingesting Turmeric. It could be that they don't eat much red meat, or because they eat more veg than us. Or it could be that they eat more coriander than us. The trial will aim to prove that it is Turmeric that has the ability to prevent cancer cells from developing. You are very brave taking Turmeric in a drink. I just add it to soups and stews.
Suzie

I agree that it is hard to isolate a single factor, and really the best advice is to adopt the most Asian style diet you can cope with .. and adopt a meditative mental set as well ... ideally

but there is already proof that turmeric is effective on cancer cells in test-tubes and on small animals. What is not available is large scale human tests, and I must admit I think chools has it with his point about the lack of profit in seeing what a known compound can do compared to inventing a new one for chemortherapy.

Hazel

The reports though are that Tumeric is helping the effects of chemo, it isn't being espoused as a replacment at the moment.

suze
Hazel: The reports though are that Tumeric is helping the effects of chemo, it isn't being espoused as a replacment at the moment.

I wouldn't think of it as a replacement, but the point is there is no profit in it ... compared to drugs, (which also don't work for everyone in every case, sadly ... )

I am just back from my 6 month scan and no new growth to report, so I am totally convinced that my regime is slowing my cancer .. although I do lots of things in addition to daily curry!

Emmagrandy

This really has me interested... Do you think eating a curry before or after chemo would be more beneficial? What other foods / meals would you suggest?

suze

Hi, Emma.
I am not a scientist, so I cannot give you any definitive answers, but I have read a couple of books which inspired me to see what damage we do to ourselves as a society with our current diet. This information encouraged me to make changes in my own regime.

There is no guarantee that these anti-cancer strategies will work for anyone as an individual, but if you want to find out more there are links about what some of us do in this thread:

www.beatingbowelcancer.org/...forum/index.php/topic,2630.0.html

All the best,
Suze